Data brokers are selling flight information to CBP and ICE

(eff.org)

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jandrewrogers 14 July 2025
People don't grasp how easy it is to build data models like this even without privileged first-party data access.

In 2012 I created a killer prototype that demonstrated that you could accurately reconstruct most people's flight history at scale from social media and/or ad data. Probably the first of its kind. This has been possible for a long time.

A quick sketch of how it worked:

We filtered out all spatiotemporal edges in the entity graph with an implied speed of <300 kilometers per hour or <200 kilometers distance, IIRC. This was the proxy for "was on a plane". It also implicitly provided the origin and destination.

These edges can be correlated with both public flight data and maintenance IoT data from jet engines to put entities on a specific flight. People overlook the extent to which innocuous industrial IoT data can be used as a proxy for relationships in unrelated domains.

In rare cases, there was more than one plausible commercial flight. Because we had their flight history, we assumed in these cases that it was the primary airline they had used in the past, either generally or for that specific origin and destination. This almost always resolved perfectly.

This was impressively effective and it didn't require first-party data from airlines or particularly sophisticated analytics. Space and time are the primary keys of reality.

btown 14 July 2025
It's funny to see ARC just being described as a "data broker," which strongly implies that it doesn't play a role in facilitating the actual underlying consumer activity.

ARC and IATA absolutely do play such a role, as the financial clearinghouses for ensuring that travel agents (online and offline) and airlines can pay each other, and as gatekeepers/certification bodies for agencies to ensure these financial systems aren't abused.

Now, they absolutely do sell access to data to third parties, governmental and nongovernmental. But the reason they have this data isn't because they buy it to resell it; they are fully part of the funds flow for the underlying transaction. Whether they should be allowed to sell or share non-anonymized data on passenger records and prices paid is a very good question, but at the very least this is about as first-party as data gets.

https://www.altexsoft.com/blog/airline-reporting-corporation... describes some of these flows. (Here be dragons.)

leblancfg 14 July 2025
The amount and extent of data that is available out there by brokers for purchase by literally any company is *mind-boggling*. However bad you think it is, multiply that by 10.
willguest 14 July 2025
It's amazing to me that the market for data is so well hidden from public view. So many large companies are mining and trading data on a daily basis - you would think that a data marketplace would have been a thing by now, especially with all the noise about "decentralisation" (yes, I know, crypto shill bros).

I've been touting this as a business model for years. Better still, I'd like to see it done with behavioural models (in the open). That would really blow the lid off the industry. Imagine people charging companies, instead of simply being the product...

AlexandrB 14 July 2025
I don't get it. Why would CBP and ICE need to buy this from a data broker? The TSA is right there scanning everyone's boarding pass as part of going through security.
tgsovlerkhgsel 14 July 2025
This could actually be interesting because in many past egregious data broker cases, the offenders had no business in the EU so they could just laugh as they were handed one 20M fine after the other (e.g. Clearview), or they were making way more than 4% of their revenue in profit from privacy violations so they could just risk the fine.

But here, the controller of the data is the airline, the transfer to the data broker might be illegal, and an airline is the worst company to commit GDPR violations with: They have a lot of global revenue but a relatively thin margin, very little of that margin comes from data abuse (so they can't just shrug off the GDPR fine as a small cost of doing shady business), and they are reachable in the EU (worst case a member state can ground and confiscate their planes, and essentially ban them from flying to the EU by threatening to confiscate any other plane that lands). And yes, Germany will impound a plane to get debts paid: https://www.reuters.com/article/world/thai-prince-to-pay-bon...

identigral 14 July 2025
https://github.com/yaelwrites/Big-Ass-Data-Broker-Opt-Out-Li... is a useful place to start for opting out. As of this writing, this list does not include Airlines Reporting Corporation (ARC), a data broker mentioned in the article.
gnabgib 14 July 2025
Little discussion 2 months ago (43+7 points, 2+3 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43949975 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43952971
noobermin 15 July 2025
Just remember, as they're detaining citizens now they will eventually come for you.
Ekaros 14 July 2025
Siding the topic. Does anyone have any estimate how much does a regular company make for selling this data? I do not mean those focusing on advertising. But companies that willingly sell their customers data and habits?
AtlasBarfed 14 July 2025
Data brokers listen to everything, track your movements, buying habits, internet history, apps, app usage, buying habits, etc.

Terms of service are meaningless if they keep the extent as secret as possible. Facebook has demonstrably shown this and as shocking as it is they are restrained compared to lots of companies.

Especially when you can out source the full evil to a wholly owned subsidiary for plausible deniability.

And if private corpse know something, many foreign governments know all of it.

maCDzP 14 July 2025
Does anyone here have some tips how to ”opt out” from this?
unglaublich 14 July 2025
How do I get access to a data broker? I'm curious what info I can get about myself and others in exchange for money.
almosthere 14 July 2025
What's the lede on this story, that data brokers are selling this data or that the purchasers are ICE/CBP?
ujkhsjkdhf234 14 July 2025
People would be surprised at how cheap data is. My company is offered credit card purchases with demographics, occupation, income level, down to the zip code for what is basically pennies. We didn't buy it but that's what advertisers know about you.
raincom 14 July 2025
Who funded many data brokers in the first place? Lots of three letter agencies, through intermediaries. Modern phones + social media = zero cost surveillance for the big brother.
aussieguy1234 15 July 2025
Chilling things here, however - I guess that the US government in general would have access to flight info? at least those going to or travelling within the US.
ourmandave 14 July 2025
An important part of data collection is dealing with edge cases. That's why I schedule all my travel with a layover in South Sudan.
fallinditch 14 July 2025
As far as I know there is no definitive guide for how to carry out a 'digital privacy reset' or 'digital rebirth' - but your LLM should be able to give you good instructions.

To do it properly, not only would you have to change all your logins and email accounts, but simultaneously start using a new computer and phone. Also, move home.

In other words: very hard to achieve. But I wonder if there is a set of achievable actions one can take that gets you to 'very good privacy'?

saubeidl 15 July 2025
For any EU citizens that might've taken flights in the US, this seems like it would be a good time to send that nightmare GDPR letter: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/nightmare-letter-subject-acce...
josefritzishere 14 July 2025
Selling... as in my tax dollars are being wasted on this???
blindriver 14 July 2025
I have given up keeping my data private from the government. It’s impossible to avoid, so I signed up for Clear, etc because I know they have that information already.

Frankly, Clear and TSA-Pre makes my life so much easier and since I don’t commit crimes I’m not very worried… just a little worried.

theLegionWithin 14 July 2025
what percentage of illegals travel on airplanes?
neuroelectron 14 July 2025
So what else is new? Have you heard about Palantir? The government literally sells (or gives) our private data to them. This should be illegal as they don't actually own this data legally as it's not covered by EULA which is generally how data brokers get around privacy violations and governments around unreasonable search and seizure.

But hey, it makes Silicon Valley money.